Re: Code of Conduct at events

* Adrian Bunk <bunk(at)stusta(dot)de> [101111 23:20]:
> > Almost every juristdiction has some "without reasonable doubt" in it.
> > Puting people into jail or requesting fines in something serious.
> > Telling someone "Sorry, but after what happened and while the
> > authorities said there is not enough proof, we do not want other
> > attendees having to fear you. Would you mind leaving/not coming?"
> > (and formulating that more decided if not followed voluntary) is
> > something that does not need as much proof.
>
> I don't like this "we have no proof but think you are guilty" attitude
> that has a high probability of also hitting innocent people.

Please, let's stay at the topic without insulting people.

> And in the case of an unproven sexual assault you know that one of the
> two persons is lying, but you don't know which.
> Which person do you want to kick out?

This is the important question. What you seem to forget, though, is that
you will force someone out. There is no way all of them will be able to
come together the same way before. You have to make some decision and no
decision is a decision, too.

> Both the alleged offender and the alleged victim?

That can in some situations be the best solution, too.

Note that allowing an alleged offender in whom most attendents
consider guilty (for example by having been witnesses or believing
the witnesses against the alleged more), will not only exclude the
victim but also all people fearing they could be next victim and
people not wanting to get into such a situation again (or the first
time).

> And how would you feel if a woman would wrongly accuse you of a sexual
> assault, and even though the court says you are not guilty you would
> get kicked out of all FOSS conferences

And how would you feel being the victim of some sexual assault and then
no longer being able to join any FOSS conference just because some court
had not enough witnesses or dropped something because of some formal
problem?

I guess a court decision that someone is not be guilty will often be a
good reason (unless there are more important opposing reasons) to allow
someone back in. The part to discuss is when the court says they cannot
say if someone is guilty without resonable doubt.

> and FOSS projects?

What are you talking about?

Bernhard R. Link