Re: Board meeting log for 2008-02-27

HIGHLIGHTS

<schultmc> Our PaySimple application has been approved - I'm in the
process of setting up access to it. We've also migrated the data
entry app to an SPI machine. Our Tax return has been filed and
according to the USPS tracking info, the IRS has received our filing.

<Maulkin> Nothing received.

Voting results for "Approve January 16th, 2008 minutes": Yes: 4, No:
0, Abstain: 1, Missing: 1 ( agliodbs )

Voting results for "Appoint Jimmy Kaplowitz to board until next board
elections": Yes: 6, No: 0, Abstain: 0, Missing: 0 ()

Voting results for "accept Jimmy's position immediately and accept
Josh's resignation simultaneously with our thanks for his years of
service, allowing hydroxide to join the board immediately without
affecting our quorum.": Yes: 4, No: 0, Abstain: 2, Missing: 0 ()

Voting results for "Appoint Robert Treat to board until next board
elections": Yes: 0, No: 5, Abstain: 1, Missing: 0 ()

Next board meeting will be on Wednesday, 19th March 2008 - 19:00 UTC

TIMED LOG

19:08:51 <Ganneff> *GAVEL*
19:08:51 <Ganneff> [item 1, Opening]
19:08:51 <Ganneff> Welcome to today's Software in the Public Interest board of directors meeting, which is now called to order. (This is the meeting originally scheduled for 20 Feb, where we had a little quorum problem). Today's agenda and details of pending resolutions can be found on the web at: http://www.spi-inc.org/secretary/agenda/2008/2008-02-20.html
19:08:51 <Ganneff> [item 2, Roll Call]
19:08:53 <Ganneff> Board members, please state your name for the record. Guests (including board advisors), please /msg your names to Maulkin if you wish your attendance to be recorded in the minutes of this meeting. Neil, any regrets?
19:08:55 <cdlu> David Graham
19:08:59 <Ganneff> Joerg Jaspert
19:09:00 <schultmc> Michael Schultheiss
19:09:22 <cdlu> half way there :)
19:09:42 <Ganneff> agliodbs, Maulkin, luk, zobel, bdale
19:09:46 <Ganneff> no linuxpoet here.
19:09:52 <schultmc> luk and agliodbs were here earlier
19:09:54 <cdlu> maulkin's detached
19:09:55 <luk> Luk Claes
19:09:58 <schultmc> Maulkin's delayed by traffic
19:10:01 <cdlu> ok
19:10:17 <cdlu> zobel still on paternity leave?
19:10:23 <schultmc> probably
19:10:30 <Ganneff> oh well. i wait until 1910 before doing more. (or until quorum).
19:10:36 <schultmc> his daughter's only a week older :)
19:10:37 <Ganneff> yes, he is.
19:10:49 <cdlu> schultmc, an eternity for a new parent no doubt :)
19:11:28 <Maulkin> Neil McGovern
19:11:34 <cdlu> one more
19:11:51 <Hydroxide> can someone call Josh who has his number?
19:12:06 <agliodbs> oh
19:12:12 <agliodbs> so not noon after all
19:12:13 <agliodbs> Josh Berkus
19:12:14 <cdlu> nope
19:12:17 <cdlu> quorum.
19:12:30 <Ganneff> yay
19:12:32 <Maulkin> rar
19:12:34 <Ganneff> lets go on.
19:12:35 <agliodbs> are we going to appoint my replacement now?
19:12:37 <Ganneff> [item 3, President's Report]
19:12:37 <Ganneff> None according to Agenda, and then Bdale not here, so we can skip this.
19:12:37 <Ganneff> [item 4, Treasurer's Report]
19:12:38 <Ganneff> Michael, your fun.
19:12:49 <cdlu> agliodbs, some time in the next few minutes. :)
19:13:16 <Ganneff> schultmc: talk!
19:13:17 <schultmc> Our PaySimple application has been approved - I'm in the process of setting up access to it
19:13:20 <schultmc> Ganneff: I am :P
19:13:34 <schultmc> We've also migrated the data entry app to an SPI machine
19:13:51 <schultmc> other than that, I have nothing to report at the moment
19:13:58 <Ganneff> k, thanks
19:13:59 <Ganneff> [item 5, Secretary's report]
19:14:00 <Ganneff> Neil, your part.
19:14:23 <Maulkin> Nothing received.
19:14:33 <Ganneff> fine, lets go on
19:14:34 <Ganneff> [item 6, Outstanding minutes]
19:14:35 <Ganneff> Again for Neil.
19:14:41 <Maulkin> Hang on a sec...
19:14:53 <Maulkin> One set, Jan 16th, 2007
19:15:15 <schultmc> 2008
19:15:33 * cdlu moves for vote
19:15:33 <Maulkin> Yeah, that
19:15:38 * schultmc seconds
19:15:49 <Maulkin> Voting started, 6 people (cdlu,ganneff,schultmc,luk,maulkin,agliodbs) allowed to vote on Approve January 16th, 2008 minutes. - You may vote yes/no/abstain only, type !vote $yourchoice now.
19:15:54 <schultmc> !vote yes
19:15:55 <Maulkin> !vote yes
19:15:55 <Ganneff> !vote abstain
19:15:56 <cdlu> !vote yes
19:15:58 * Ganneff wasnt there
19:16:34 <Maulkin> luk/agliodbs?
19:16:35 <luk> !vote yes
19:16:47 <cdlu> outcome no longer in doubt
19:17:04 <Maulkin> Current voting results for "Approve January 16th, 2008 minutes": Yes: 4, No: 0, Abstain: 1, Missing: 1 ( agliodbs )
19:17:07 <Maulkin> Voting for "Approve January 16th, 2008 minutes" closed.
19:17:12 <Ganneff> great.
19:17:14 <Ganneff> [item 7, Items up for discussion]
19:17:14 <Ganneff> We have on item here, "Decision on new board member". Someone want to take the floor?
19:17:16 <Maulkin> (agliodbs: catchup :P)
19:17:25 <Maulkin> Ganneff: you're the chair :)
19:17:30 * schultmc has one more item for treasurer report
19:17:33 <cdlu> I move that xzilla and hydroxide be put up as separate motions
19:17:37 <cdlu> in either order
19:17:39 <Ganneff> schultmc: after this point.
19:17:41 <schultmc> k
19:17:51 <Hydroxide> cdlu: does that mean we might both get appointed?
19:18:00 <Ganneff> i second cdlus suggestion
19:18:01 <cdlu> hydroxide, if that is the board's will
19:18:05 <Hydroxide> ok
19:18:39 <cdlu> I don't have a problem with it, as long as both commit to attending all meetings from now until election -- also gives us our third seat for election.
19:18:45 <cdlu> if that's the outcome.
19:19:00 <cdlu> xzilla's almost 10K minutes idle though. :)
19:19:14 <cdlu> ganneff, you seconded it, you can put it to a vote :)
19:19:24 <Maulkin> Hang on...
19:19:28 <cdlu> 'k
19:19:35 <Ganneff> what to vote on? that we decide on them in seperate order?
19:19:37 <Ganneff> fine, vote! :)
19:19:40 <Maulkin> xzilla: hurry up... :)
19:19:42 <cdlu> ganneff, no on each one :)
19:19:47 <Maulkin> Hydroxide first, or xzilla?
19:19:54 <Ganneff> Hydroxide, he is here. :)
19:19:54 <cdlu> it matters not.
19:20:02 <Maulkin> Voting started, 6 people (cdlu,ganneff,schultmc,luk,maulkin,agliodbs) allowed to vote on Appoint Jimmy Kaplowitz to board until next board elections. - You may vote yes/no/abstain only, type !vote $yourchoice now.
19:20:10 <cdlu> !vote yes
19:20:10 <Ganneff> !vote yes
19:20:11 <schultmc> !vote yes
19:20:15 <Maulkin> !vote yes
19:20:25 <luk> !vote yes
19:20:49 <Maulkin> agliodbs?
19:21:00 <Ganneff> he made quorum and then ran away :)
19:21:18 <Maulkin> .oO(This makes quorum requirements... interesting)
19:21:26 <Ganneff> but as its clear even if he votes no - go on, i would say.
19:21:31 <agliodbs> sorry
19:21:38 <agliodbs> on phone, got the meeting time wrong
19:21:44 <agliodbs> yes
19:21:49 <agliodbs> !vote yes
19:21:58 <Maulkin> (for minutes, or Hydroxide?)
19:22:10 * Maulkin assumes Hydroxide
19:22:13 <Ganneff> assume the running vote, as your script does.
19:22:13 <agliodbs> Hydroxide is the current vote
19:22:14 <Maulkin> Current voting results for "Appoint Jimmy Kaplowitz to board until next board elections": Yes: 6, No: 0, Abstain: 0, Missing: 0 ()
19:22:18 <Maulkin> Voting for "Appoint Jimmy Kaplowitz to board until next board elections" closed.
19:22:20 <cdlu> I move that we accept Jimmy's position immediately and accept Josh's resignation simultaneously with our thanks for his years of service, allowing hydroxide to join the board immediately without affecting our quorum.
19:22:34 * Maulkin seconds
19:22:37 <Ganneff> does that mean "within this meeting"?
19:22:39 * schultmc secodns
19:22:46 <cdlu> yes, right this second, if there's consent.
19:22:51 <schultmc> err seconds
19:22:55 <Maulkin> Voting started, 6 people (cdlu,ganneff,schultmc,luk,maulkin,agliodbs) allowed to vote on What cdlu said. - You may vote yes/no/abstain only, type !vote $yourchoice now.
19:23:02 <cdlu> !vote yes
19:23:03 <Ganneff> intresting, the first approved candidate could vote no to the second
19:23:17 <luk> Ganneff: no
19:23:24 <cdlu> ganneff, they could
19:23:25 <Ganneff> luk: yes.
19:23:26 <luk> of course not during the meeting
19:23:26 <Maulkin> !vote yes
19:23:30 <Ganneff> !vote abstain
19:23:35 <Ganneff> luk: yes, thats what they propose
19:23:35 <luk> !vote abstain
19:23:36 <Maulkin> Hydroxide: I expect you to abstain :)
19:23:43 <schultmc> !vote yes
19:23:43 <cdlu> hydroxide can't vote yet :)
19:23:43 <Hydroxide> Maulkin: I was just typing that I would abstain :)
19:23:47 <cdlu> until the vote passes. I love it. :)
19:23:55 <Hydroxide> Maulkin: I mean, I'm not voting on this vote
19:23:55 <Ganneff> cdlu: no, but on xzilla he could
19:23:58 <cdlu> yes
19:24:05 <Hydroxide> Maulkin: I'm going to abstain on xzilla in the interest of fairness
19:24:15 <Maulkin> Hydroxide: ack.
19:24:18 * Ganneff would have taken both into vote first, and then replaced josh. but meh, i abstained
19:24:31 <Hydroxide> though I will state for the record that I have no problem with him being on the board if the other board members decide they want to deal with the higher quorum requirement
19:24:41 <cdlu> I'm going to vote no on xzilla simply because he's not here and that is in contravention of my one condition for having both appointed. I encourage him to run in July.
19:24:47 <Maulkin> Need one more for quorum here. agliodbs?
19:25:00 <cdlu> maulkin, quorum rules require quorum of attendance, not quorum on votes.
19:25:02 <Hydroxide> cdlu: very good point. he does need to show up if he wants to be on the board :)
19:25:10 <agliodbs> that's not a vote
19:25:14 <Maulkin> cdlu: Does it?
19:25:22 <cdlu> agliodbs, ?
19:25:35 <cdlu> maulkin, I believe so. our by-laws *are* weird. :)
19:25:43 <Hydroxide> agliodbs: I think they're voting on making my appointment to the board take effect right now instead of after the meeting
19:25:48 <agliodbs> oh, ok
19:25:51 <agliodbs> !vote yes
19:25:52 <Hydroxide> agliodbs: which would also make your resignation effective right now
19:25:54 <cdlu> agliodbs, which leaves you free to not stick around :)
19:25:57 <Maulkin> Current voting results for "What cdlu said": Yes: 4, No: 0, Abstain: 2, Missing: 0 ()
19:26:00 <Maulkin> Voting for "What cdlu said" closed.
19:26:01 <agliodbs> which then makes this my last vote
19:26:05 <cdlu> yes
19:26:12 * Maulkin thanks agliodbs
19:26:14 <cdlu> agliodbs, thanks for your years of service on the board, as treasurer and general help
19:26:14 <Ganneff> yes. thanks agliodbs for being on board and doing work for spi
19:26:18 <Hydroxide> Thanks guys! Glad to be back. :) Will do my best to be helpful to SPI as an interim board member
19:26:18 <Maulkin> agliodbs++
19:26:21 * schultmc thanks agliodbs for his service
19:26:28 <agliodbs> well, I plan to continute working on treasurer stuff
19:26:29 <Hydroxide> and my thanks as well, agliodbs
19:26:32 <agliodbs> particularly the softwrae
19:26:34 <Ganneff> now, lets vote on xzilla please
19:26:35 <Maulkin> Right, now xzilla?
19:26:39 * Maulkin moves so.
19:26:45 * schultmc seconds
19:26:49 * Ganneff seconds
19:26:52 <Maulkin> Voting started, 6 people (cdlu,ganneff,schultmc,luk,maulkin,hydrox) allowed to vote on Appoint Robert Treat to board until next board elections. - You may vote yes/no/abstain only, type !vote $yourchoice now.
19:26:58 <cdlu> !vote no
19:27:03 <Hydroxide> !vote abstain
19:27:05 <Maulkin> !vote no
19:27:11 <schultmc> !vote no
19:27:11 * cdlu notes that it is unconventional to second a motion you do not intend to vote for. :)
19:27:21 <Ganneff> !vote no
19:27:26 <Maulkin> Forced vote no on hydrox
19:27:34 <Maulkin> Forced vote abstain on hydrox
19:27:37 <Maulkin> That's better
19:27:53 <Maulkin> missing luk
19:27:56 <Hydroxide> Maulkin: no need to force the vote - I did correctly abstain
19:28:03 <cdlu> hydroxide, bot doesn't know you.
19:28:06 <Ganneff> Hydroxide: he hasnt set your nick to vote
19:28:08 <Maulkin> Hydroxide: but I missed off half your name :)
19:28:11 <Hydroxide> oh I see, right :)
19:28:23 * xzilla notes he is here, got held up, and is reading backlog (and confused btw)
19:28:37 <cdlu> xzilla, your timing is ... phenomenal. :)
19:28:46 <Ganneff> luk?
19:28:55 <xzilla> but my backlog reading skills are a bit on the slow side
19:29:26 <Ganneff> Maulkin: assume abstain to luk anbd go on? wont change the result.
19:29:45 <Maulkin> Ganneff: I'd prefer a affirmative vote...
19:29:58 <Ganneff> ah. luk just reconnected. so maybe in a minute we have it.
19:30:03 - luk_!~luk(at)luk(dot)netrep(dot)oftc(dot)net has joined #spi
19:30:20 <Ganneff> luk_: your vote on xzilla is needed.
19:30:49 <luk_> hmm, apparantly lost connection
19:30:55 <luk_> !vote no
19:31:01 <Maulkin> Forced vote no on luk
19:31:06 <Maulkin> Current voting results for "Appoint Robert Treat to board until next board elections": Yes: 0, No: 5, Abstain: 1, Missing: 0 ()
19:31:09 <Maulkin> Voting for "Appoint Robert Treat to board until next board elections" closed.
19:31:20 <Ganneff> thats it, lets continue meeting.
19:31:22 <Ganneff> [item 8, Treasurer's Report, continued]
19:31:24 <Ganneff> There, Michael.
19:31:27 <Ganneff> your extra point please
19:32:01 <schultmc> Our Tax return has been filed and according to the USPS tracking info, the IRS has received our filing.
19:32:08 <schultmc> </done>
19:32:10 <Ganneff> thanks
19:32:11 <Ganneff> [item 9, Next board meeting]
19:32:11 <Ganneff> This will be on Wednesday, 19th March 2008 - 19:00 UTC
19:32:22 <Ganneff> except someone raises a big no against this date
19:32:28 <Ganneff> now, thanks for attending:
19:32:29 <Ganneff> *GAVEL*

Hope that helps,
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MJ Ray <mjr(at)phonecoop(dot)coop> wrote:
> <Maulkin> Nothing received.

Please can someone tell me why my email wasn't received? Details:-

From: MJ Ray <mjr(at)phonecoop(dot)coop>
To: secretary(at)spi-inc(dot)org
Subject: Decision on new board member
Message-ID: <47bbef62(dot)7SBziHDcbsiY+2mE%mjr(at)phonecoop(dot)coop>

Will the applications of board candidates be published?
And can a member Q+A happen before the decision, please?

Also, how many board posts will be up for election this year?

Thanks,
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On 11309 March 1977, MJ Ray wrote:

>> <Maulkin> Nothing received.
> Please can someone tell me why my email wasn't received? Details:-
> From: MJ Ray <mjr(at)phonecoop(dot)coop>
> To: secretary(at)spi-inc(dot)org
> Subject: Decision on new board member
> Message-ID: <47bbef62(dot)7SBziHDcbsiY+2mE%mjr(at)phonecoop(dot)coop>

A Date header and/or the queue id from the mail log will help a lot.

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bye Joerg

Joerg Jaspert <joerg(at)debian(dot)org> wrote:
> On 11309 March 1977, MJ Ray wrote:
> >> <Maulkin> Nothing received.
> > Please can someone tell me why my email wasn't received? Details:-
> > From: MJ Ray <mjr(at)phonecoop(dot)coop>
> > To: secretary(at)spi-inc(dot)org
> > Subject: Decision on new board member
> > Message-ID: <47bbef62(dot)7SBziHDcbsiY+2mE%mjr(at)phonecoop(dot)coop>
>
> A Date header and/or the queue id from the mail log will help a lot.

Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:14:10 +0000

I don't have SPI's queue id logged myself. My next hop out is
smtp.ifl.telecomplete.net for phonecoop. I'll ask them to trace if
necessary, but I don't want to if not because it costs me (in a way).

Thanks,
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>> >> <Maulkin> Nothing received.
>> > Please can someone tell me why my email wasn't received? Details:-
>> > From: MJ Ray <mjr(at)phonecoop(dot)coop>
>> > To: secretary(at)spi-inc(dot)org
>> > Subject: Decision on new board member
>> > Message-ID: <47bbef62(dot)7SBziHDcbsiY+2mE%mjr(at)phonecoop(dot)coop>
>> A Date header and/or the queue id from the mail log will help a lot.
> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:14:10 +0000

> I don't have SPI's queue id logged myself. My next hop out is
> smtp.ifl.telecomplete.net for phonecoop. I'll ask them to trace if
> necessary, but I don't want to if not because it costs me (in a way).

The mail went through SPI machines about half an hour later (your MX has
long retry times):

Feb 20 09:43:37 chic postfix/smtpd[18505]: connect from smtp.ifl.telecomplete.net[213.160.116.24]
Feb 20 09:43:39 chic postfix/smtpd[18505]: 0AE8B8562F: client=smtp.ifl.telecomplete.net[213.160.116.24]
Feb 20 09:43:39 chic postfix/qmgr[2873]: 0AE8B8562F: from=<mjr(at)phonecoop(dot)coop>, size=1626, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 20 09:43:39 chic postfix/smtpd[18505]: disconnect from smtp.ifl.telecomplete.net[213.160.116.24]
[... spam filter and stuff ...]
Feb 20 09:43:48 chic postfix/smtp[25718]: C9C1885630: to=<maulkin(at)halon(dot)org(dot)uk>, relay=mx0.halon.org.uk[195.177.253.181]:25, delay=7.3, delays=0.08/0.13/0.43/6.7, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK id=1JRlUL-00049B-Nt)
Feb 20 09:43:48 chic postfix/qmgr[2873]: C9C1885630: removed

At this point its out of SPI machines, I don't know what happened then.

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bye Joerg
<DarkRider> also dies ist so ziemlich der einzige chanel wo ich meist 0 peile
<DarkRider> ich schreibe etwas dann rennen se alle gegen die wand und schreien aua